tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post6299592120118022389..comments2023-09-30T06:09:28.429-05:00Comments on Plastic Sax: Confirmation: Weekly News & NotesHappy In Baghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03325328547476858000noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-30665768945768056292009-11-07T02:05:17.170-06:002009-11-07T02:05:17.170-06:00Anon,
I would consider the wide spectrum of "...Anon,<br /><br />I would consider the wide spectrum of "modern jazz" new music, but if you are defining "new" jazz as what you just posted (free, aleatoric, etc), then I would certainly agree. The other Anon had stated that it would be nice if the Star reviewed Tim's well attended concerts as a response to PS's mentioning of the review of the Afinidad concert. This is why I assumed the "new" jazz you referred to was modern jazz (which it technically is anyways). <br /><br />Andrew,<br /><br />You are totally right about the marketing thing. However, I'm just not convinced that the Folly is doing things completely right. At the show, I talked to people who said they had literally found out about the show a couple of days before. I talked to a jazz musician I saw later that night, and he said he hadn't heard about it at all. That concert was an all-star line-up!!! The jazz audience in this town might not be strong enough to fill up the Folly every time theres a concert, but its certainly strong enough to have a much better showing than what we've seen lately. Something different needs to happen...Hermon Meharihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04744534009890405837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-41763724951774744202009-11-06T11:43:28.504-06:002009-11-06T11:43:28.504-06:00I agree that things could be marketed better, but ...I agree that things could be marketed better, but I also need to defend the marketers a bit too.<br /><br />Yes, there are the free outlets in social media which have proven to be successful. And folks are foolish not to employ these resources if they're not already in their arsenal. Get on it! <br /><br />Praise and practice of successful social media marketing aside - both here and in other spots - there are still a lot folks who rely on traditional sources to hear about shows. <br /><br />And that's where the "poor marketing" happens, partly because a good number of presenters don't have robust marketing budgets, and partly due to mismanagement of funds or lack of know-how. It's a fact. <br /><br />I've seen both ends of the spectrum - laughable budgets and well-stocked ones - in my own experience as an arts marketing professional. I can sympathize with those who don't have the dough, and can also identify with those who can enjoy the luxury of having (a little) more to spend. <br /><br />There's still a ton of people who find out about events by reading the paper, watching TV or listening to the radio - and it's pretty easy to burn through, say, a $20K marketing budget (which is small) on those sources. You could spend that with the Star in a few days.<br /><br />I do think it's very true when some say "well, it was marketed porly." I have seen organizations that have failed to efficiently use their (limited) resources, but they've still put forth the effort. But there's others who just don't make an effort at all, or they think that one e-mail blast to subscribers and a 1/4 black/white ad in the Pitch is a "campaign."<br /><br />I have felt the frustration of having little to no money to market a show to supplement the efforts on the grassroots level, in social media and through public relations...and then felt the sting of "well, it was just poorly marketed"-type comments, feeling helpless about not having enough resources to do more - and wanting people to understand that "we're doing what we can with what we have."<br /><br />Yet I also think the assertion that a show suffered from "poor marketing" is equally used as an excuse, partly among those who probably or truly don't have the first-hand knowledge of what it really costs to launch a thorough, far-reaching, engaging and enlightening marketing campaign.<br /><br />It's easy to blame a poorly attended show on any number of things, and even as a jazz lover who tries his darndest to get others out to shows, listen to records and take a chance on some great music they're missing out on, I also have to accept that some folks just don't wanna hear it. And that's fine.<br /><br />And I also have to toss out the oft-suggested theme that PS posts here from time to time, as much as I hate to say it: jazz is just not all that popular.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-40503424992356562462009-11-06T11:11:29.237-06:002009-11-06T11:11:29.237-06:00Hermon,
How do you define new music? I'm refe...Hermon,<br /><br />How do you define new music? I'm referring to Avant Garde...free jazz,chance music, aleatoric music.<br />In the past 30 years I have not attended an Avant Garde concert that had very many people...more than 100 people. At Aspen, the Knitting Factory or Record Bar...audiences are scarce for that type of music...it's too hip I suppose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-71716847808789101972009-11-06T10:24:20.874-06:002009-11-06T10:24:20.874-06:00Anon, I have to disagree with your statement about...Anon, I have to disagree with your statement about new music not drawing large volumes of people. <br /><br />A lot of it is just poor marketing.Hermon Meharihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04744534009890405837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-59566571079303059122009-11-05T14:59:09.492-06:002009-11-05T14:59:09.492-06:00Its easy for us to always paint a doom and gloom p...Its easy for us to always paint a doom and gloom picture of jazz in Kansas City but when concert series' with local performers can routinely attract 500 to 1000 people in a listening setting that's a pretty cool thing.<br /><br />New music will never draw large volumes of people...it never has even though the music can be very uplifting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-48796268917899289132009-11-05T10:06:26.818-06:002009-11-05T10:06:26.818-06:00Rod Fleeman was there too and was on fire!Rod Fleeman was there too and was on fire!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-66934119788882130262009-11-05T09:54:25.750-06:002009-11-05T09:54:25.750-06:00Went to Tim Whitmer's concert series last nig...Went to Tim Whitmer's concert series last night. It has been running the first Wednesday of every month since 1994. Last nights guests were Millie Edwards, Everette Devan, Nicole ?, and the house band of Tim, Jurgen Welge, Jim Mair and James Albright.<br />There must have 500-600 people there. It would be nice if the star would review one of those concerts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-69772369595180040932009-11-05T00:57:06.562-06:002009-11-05T00:57:06.562-06:00Bram Wijnands is the shizzle, as is Kim Park.Bram Wijnands is the shizzle, as is Kim Park.Rick in PVnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-9859196722709780892009-11-04T16:52:10.561-06:002009-11-04T16:52:10.561-06:00Holding hands? I wonder who kicked them out... I&#...Holding hands? I wonder who kicked them out... I'm not even sure I believe that. <br /><br />There are going to be some interesting changes at the Foundation here in the next few months.Hermon Meharihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04744534009890405837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-31213293634244129222009-11-04T12:21:18.723-06:002009-11-04T12:21:18.723-06:00That Mutual Musician's Foundation comment is a...That Mutual Musician's Foundation comment is astonishing. Makes me never want to go back.The DLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12804981463092544712noreply@blogger.com