tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post5577814807235105609..comments2023-09-30T06:09:28.429-05:00Comments on Plastic Sax: Jazz Vs. Hip Hop: A KC EncounterHappy In Baghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03325328547476858000noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-47226222404366846692008-06-18T18:01:00.000-05:002008-06-18T18:01:00.000-05:00Well, I kind of don't wish to perform for "hundred...Well, I kind of don't wish to perform for "hundreds nightly." mostly because I'd be totally content with just 50 people a night. Hundreds kinda scares me, and would they shut up and listen? I think we should give up on the L.C.D. and focus on our future audience, while trying to repay our debt to the past before it's too late. We had a great thing at Eddie Saunders' rehab center for him on Sunday. Luqman, Lucky, Wallace, Raynola, Sauna Clark, Brian Morihan, Loren, Charlie Gatschet and yours truly gave about a two hour musical tribute to the man. Eddie was beaming from ear to ear the whole time. It was the best he's looked in a while. I'm glad we were able to light him up a little. If only we could slip him a joint somehow........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-23626699619377233842008-06-18T09:20:00.000-05:002008-06-18T09:20:00.000-05:00If it's not already obvious, I'd like to clarify t...If it's not already obvious, I'd like to clarify that I've never heard Harper play a single note. If he's just a tenth as accomplished a musician as he is a writer, he's pretty darn good.Happy In Baghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03325328547476858000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-73440437401625444192008-06-17T17:19:00.000-05:002008-06-17T17:19:00.000-05:00I didn't necessarily mean to imply that "the quali...I didn't necessarily mean to imply that "the quality of popular music is proportional to a musician's technical skill." There are plenty of examples to prove otherwise. I prefer to think that jazz has traded part, OK, a lot of its asset as a popular musical form for the asset of sustainability as an artistic discipline. I have my doubts as to whether Hip-Hop or Rap can make the same transition.the unthinking lemminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10474976634853731048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-31763095332821432432008-06-17T16:08:00.000-05:002008-06-17T16:08:00.000-05:00Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I know (and ...Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I know (and like) all three of you, but I'll attempt to reply without personal prejudice.<BR/><BR/>I'll confess to being influenced by audiences, Harper. And the Soul Providers attracted a larger and far more attractive crowd (save yours truly, of course). But it was the immediate contrast that threw me. As all three of you probably know, it's possible to view and listen to both First Friday ensembles simultaneously. And the hip hop show sucked me in like a moth to a flame.<BR/><BR/>What a brilliant editorial, Micah! The thing is, Micah, I love your playing. I wish that you performed to an attentive audience of hundreds nightly. I don't disagree any of your comments. And yeah, hearing jazz samples in the work of artists like Gang Starr and Nas delights me.<BR/><BR/>You're right too, UL, in that music is not a zero sum game. <BR/><BR/>I suppose I'm distressed because my experience that night finally forced me to accept that jazz will never again assume immediacy in popular culture. In fact, "immediacy" might convey my sentiments more that the word "relevance"...<BR/><BR/>I do not concur, however, with your implication that the quality of popular music is proportional to a musician's technical skill. In fact, I find the democratic accessibility of hip hop and rock an asset, not a liability. <BR/><BR/>Still, I greatly admire the accomplished musicianship you and Micah possess. Harper's talent as a musician, on the other hand, is lame.Happy In Baghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03325328547476858000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-40375638819456653192008-06-17T08:32:00.000-05:002008-06-17T08:32:00.000-05:00Yep. Jazz has plenty of relevance.A better questi...Yep. Jazz has plenty of relevance.<BR/><BR/>A better question might be is what musical relevance does Hip-Hop offer? I saw no real musicians in the video you linked, just a bunch of monotone rap and canned music being spun and scratched. Any bets on how many of the participants can actually read music?<BR/><BR/>The wild popularity of Hip-Hop can provide relevance. The lack thereof, OTOH, does not necessarily diminish the relevance of Jazz both musically *and* culturally.the unthinking lemminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10474976634853731048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-84676525667031189922008-06-16T12:53:00.000-05:002008-06-16T12:53:00.000-05:00Sax, I would have to disagree with your assertion ...Sax, I would have to disagree with your assertion that jazz is not "particularly relevant in today's world." <BR/><BR/>It's just not relevant to the assholes in the media (not you). Unless they are looking for a people story to fill between the weather and this week's featured homeless pet. Or need a slot @ 3 a.m. for community radio (which suits us just fine, btw. most of us stay up that late for various reasons.)<BR/><BR/>It's not relevant to dumbasses, or people with a prediliction towards the least common denominator in our culture, which I need to make absolutely clear is not hip-hop. <BR/><BR/>The L.C.D. in our culture is the"corporation" that sells our collective culture in a slick package (tv, radio, internet, magazines, and newspapers.) wrapped in material goods, (cell phones, cars, computers and shit.) which has resulted in the exploitation of several distinct groups of people in America, with racial, ethnic and religious minorities heading the list. <BR/><BR/>Here is who it is relevant for: <BR/><BR/>It is relevant to children, the elderly, people with a social conscience, those who really love music, dancers, young women who love to sing, scores of musicians who do not play jazz, churches and faiths of all kinds, people getting married, painters, sculptors, writers, poets, porn producers, the rolling stones, god, and most importantly, it is so relevant to fucking hip-hop, it's unbelievable. <BR/><BR/>Hip hop steals, (I mean sample) our shit all the time. Most of their beats were played by jazz and fusion drummers back in the 60's and 70's. It's just cheaper and easier to sample or recreate them with a drum machine, than to find someone to play them, but this in and of itself does not make it any less relevant.<BR/><BR/>It's way relevant. Come out to one of my Jazz foundation gigs in a school or retirement home, you'll see how relevant it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694480735393172006.post-2721938097205800962008-06-16T12:00:00.000-05:002008-06-16T12:00:00.000-05:00I'm surprised this evoked such strong feeling in y...I'm surprised this evoked such strong feeling in ya, B. No disrespect to the YJazzers, but I don't think their regular jam outside the snack bar is that hard for any act to overshadow so long as it's livelier and more audience-focused. <BR/><BR/>Acts that could NOT overshadow the jazz trio: local burlesque performance; J-Will the Plaza breakdancer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com